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For many it is often difficult to imagine Crowd at PDF #8608 gay gathering places in the decades before the Stonewall riots of the s and nearly impossible to think of such communities outside the nation's largest cities Yet such places did exist and their histories tell amazing stories of survival and The Evening PDF the struggle for acceptance and self respect When Ricardo J Brown died in he left a compelling memoir of his youth and experiences as a young gay man in St Paul After being discharged from the navy for revealing his sexual orientation to a commanding officer in Evening Crowd at PDF #206 Brown return. Whist a little rustic I would consider this to be essential reading for anyone thinking about writing about small town gay America in the 1940 sA personal memoire without being overly personal The Evening Crowd at Kirmser s is a snapshot of something that definitely shouldn t have existed at the time a gay bar in Wabasha Street St Paul Minnesota At the time it was a run down area not one one would like to be alone at night today looking at Google Maps it s a airy clean shopping district smug in its pristine lookRicardo learns his sexuality young very young in fact There s no description of this but it s clear he s in Junior school when he gets his first experiences By the time he s 18 he s well aware of himself and in fact gets himself undesirably discharged from the army by outing himself to his superiors being unable to hide himself any longerWhat I liked was the postcard way of presenting the events There is no stream of narrative as it were just segments dealing with this character or that One chapter talks of his relationship with Lucky for example how they met how they continued to maintain that relationship another deals with Flaming Youth an overweight ueen who whilst in a long term relationship steps out with others a delightful term What is charming is the way that although the ueers as they call themselves flock together in this peculiar place straight by day ueer by night they hardly mix They know each other by sight and by name although they keep a coded life of discretion and nicknames but they are hardly linking arms and can can ing around the bar They slink in hiding outside until the coast is clear and they aren t spotted by neighbours and friends and they retreat to the dark black booths made sticky and ebonised by decades of varnish Hiding almost from each otherRicardo before discovering Kirmser s escaped to Greenwich Village but he didn t stay long He had a dream that it was going to be full of aethetes and ueers walking in the sunshine but he soon found that the scene that he was introduced to a dingy underground drag bar full of what seemed to him to be unpleasant stereotypes was not his cup of tea at all and he fled back to Minnesota and found Kirmer s shortly afterwardsIt s hugely interesting to see how baffled everyone is with everyone else The lesbians use the gay men for accompanying them in dodgy areas although both are uneasy with each other s perversions the menage a trois threesome nicknamed Three Kind Mice for their uiet appearances in the bar baffle everyone and indeed creep the gays and lesbians out as Ricardo says they can t understand the relationship the warping of the marriage act and what they don t understand they distrust A menage aw twah Lulu Pulanski pronounced it then grandly explained to us what the expression meant It boggled our minds Most of us were in one to one relationships of whatever kind for whatever period of time but here was the husband and wife and the husband s boyfriend carrying on God know what kind of perversions We were naivey offended at this flouting of conventions this mockery of marriage this awful ambiguity Most of us were defined even confined by our sexuality and these three seemed to move fluidly from one partner the another It confounded us Marriage we d always been led to believe was for two people only What these three were doing was scandalous than divorce At least people had heard of divorceIt is actually sad to see that bigotry runs in all directions and of course such bigotry still exists on all sides todayMost of the anecdotes are veined with pathos and one is positively sad although the death involved isn t homophobic but although overall you are left with the image of a group of people clinging to a place if not each other because even in the relative safety of the bar which isn t very safe they absolutely do not show affection or give themselves away itis heartwarming that each and every one of them has the grit to continue on with their lives and make the best of the restricted way they are forced to live There s the two men who have been together for 14 years both over 40 who live with one of the men s parents even sleeping in the same bed There s the man with crabs again another nickname who is the pariah in the bar because of rumor who finally brings a new boyfriend into the bar with him and there s Ricardo himself who has an inner strength that really shines throughThis is a short book but I highly recommend it It s not a perfect book I found it a little too jumpy and disjointed and the memoire style won t be for everyone but if you do try it and you enjoyed books such as It Takes Two by Elliott Mackle you ll enjoy thisIt is a great shame that this book didn t get published until after Brown died although he was working towards publication and a greater shame that he never got to write about what happened next because I m sure his entire life would have been as full as great characters as this book

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Ho carried the nickname from his younger years ironically into middle age Bud York the All American Boy who seduced all with his wholesome good looks and confidence Dickie Grant a likable gentle boy who is arrested for writing bad checks and is murdered while in prison and Dale the author's best friend who suddenly loses his job of six years after an anonymous note informed his employer that he is gayA revealing look at the origins of gay culture in a mid sized city and among working class people The Evening Crowd at Evening Crowd at Kirmser's A eBook #8608 Kirmser's is destined to become a rare and uniue classi. Less than honourably discharged from the navy in 1945 for disclosing his homosexuality Ricardo Brown returns to St Paul Minnesota to try to make a life for himself He finds a nondescript bar that caters to a gay clientele and it becomes his social centre This very readable memoir shines a light on what it was like to be gay in a time when Stonewall was not even conceivable

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Ed to his hometown with a new self awareness and a desire to find a group of people like himself He discovered such a place in Kirmser'sA small neighborhood bar owned by a German immigrant couple in St Paul's downtown Kirmser's served working class customers during daylight hours Evening Crowd at Kirmser's A eBook #8608 but became an unofficial home to the gay men and lesbians who gathered there nightly in the years following World War II The Evening Crowd at Kirmser's introduces us to often humorous but freuently tragic stories of those who would become the author's friends Flaming Youth a homely sardonic man w. Brown provides a frank slightly gritty view of gay life in a place far from the east and west coasts that gay histories typically reflect It s an important little book because it documents the experiences and thoughts of regular guys who dealt with stigma of gay life in the midwest of the 1940s While the book is unapologetic in its descriptions of the people places and events there is an undercurrent of self loathing that says as much about the social s of that place and time as it does about the author s own feelings


10 thoughts on “The Evening Crowd at Kirmser's A Gay Life in the 1940s

  1. says:

    Cross posted at Shelf Inflicted and at Outlaw ReviewsAfter reading Jeb and Dash A Diary of Gay Life 1918 1945 I decided to look for other books about gay life before Stonewall and found this little treasure at the library As much as I enjoyed Jeb’s observations of the world the historical details and glimpses of famous personalities I fou

  2. says:

    Well this was a total surprise I read this for research for a historical fiction novel I'm writing and it hit precisely in my niche Working c

  3. says:

    Whist a little rustic I would consider this to be essential reading for anyone thinking about writing about small town gay America in the 1940′sA personal memoire without being overly personal The Evening Crowd at Kirmser’s is a snapshot

  4. says:

    A spare novella of a memoir leaving one with the sense that Brown intended to write but these scenes from a bar in St Paul are as much as he managed It is a sad echo of a book leaving one with the sense that Brown was editing himself still suffering from the feeling that there were things which must not be said

  5. says:

    What's not to like about this book? It is a wonderfully warm evocative book about a pocket of gay life in southern America all confined to one bar and a small crowd of gay men and a few lesbians in the 1940's It tells the story without fear or favour of the trials and tribulations of this rather motley group Their lives lived in sh

  6. says:

    Brown provides a frank slightly gritty view of gay life in a place far from the east and west coasts that gay histories typically reflect It's an important little book because it documents the experiences and thoughts of regular guys who dealt with stigma of gay life in the midwest of the 1940s While the book is unapologetic in its descriptions of the people places and events there is an undercurrent of self loathing that says a

  7. says:

    I enjoyed reading Brown's remembrance however short of Gay life in St Paul I was especially drawn to his look at Gay life outside of the coasts and the epicenters of the big cities San Fran and New York After ha

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    Less than honourably discharged from the navy in 1945 for disclosing his homosexuality Ricardo Brown returns to St Paul Minnesota to try to make a life for himself He finds a nondescript bar that caters to a gay clientele and it becomes his s

  9. says:

    After reading Jeb and Dash one of its reviewers mentions this gem of a book It describes a working class gayman's closeted life in a midwestern city in the 1940's Books such as these are helping me gain a sense of tribal identity my cultural inheritance

  10. says:

    A uirky little book that sheds some interesting insight into a little known topic but also meanders and plods